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		<title>Comment on There are no girls on the internet. by roman thuesen</title>
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		<dc:creator>roman thuesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah... I see now. I&#039;m interested as to how you intend to prove your point, though I think Nurn drives the point home quite well. I find simple conversation with female classmates can easily be achieved without making unsavory concepts. In fact I find the media&#039;s view of starting a conversation rather convoluted. It&#039;s really not that hard. But you are correct, the gender-neutral internet rule does portend many issues about one&#039;s individuality. In essence, I suppose one must give up individuality in order to be anonymous. Also, I too am bombarded by the &quot;local girls&quot; ads. many of them on closer inspection are not local.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8230; I see now. I&#8217;m interested as to how you intend to prove your point, though I think Nurn drives the point home quite well. I find simple conversation with female classmates can easily be achieved without making unsavory concepts. In fact I find the media&#8217;s view of starting a conversation rather convoluted. It&#8217;s really not that hard. But you are correct, the gender-neutral internet rule does portend many issues about one&#8217;s individuality. In essence, I suppose one must give up individuality in order to be anonymous. Also, I too am bombarded by the &#8220;local girls&#8221; ads. many of them on closer inspection are not local.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Right Here, Right Now by Networked City &#8211; Reading Summaries &#8211; Topics in Digital Media – Spring 10</title>
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		<dc:creator>Networked City &#8211; Reading Summaries &#8211; Topics in Digital Media – Spring 10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we are not able to get the reading summaries in time this week. I would like you to refer to the summary of the same materials from last semester (sans the Bleeker text) and comment here on this post. I hope we can make the Bleeker text summary [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Wait, Did 4chan Just Enlighten Me? I Feel Dirty. by Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I will argue against your point that it was not your gender, but rather your revealing yourself to be less than anonymous that got the responses. Whether anyone in a thread identifies their gender, or ethinicty, or not on /b/ there will be an overwhelming amount of sexist and racist comments and pictures. While there are many gems to be had on /b/, it is as uncensored as anything can get. Don&#039;t go there if you aren&#039;t ready to be offended. Freedom of speech exists there, and sometimes it&#039;s frightening. People use their chance to voice whatever opinions they can&#039;t get away with IRL. (Although sometimes they don&#039;t get away with them on /b/ either, but IMO that&#039;s rare.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I will argue against your point that it was not your gender, but rather your revealing yourself to be less than anonymous that got the responses. Whether anyone in a thread identifies their gender, or ethinicty, or not on /b/ there will be an overwhelming amount of sexist and racist comments and pictures. While there are many gems to be had on /b/, it is as uncensored as anything can get. Don&#8217;t go there if you aren&#8217;t ready to be offended. Freedom of speech exists there, and sometimes it&#8217;s frightening. People use their chance to voice whatever opinions they can&#8217;t get away with IRL. (Although sometimes they don&#8217;t get away with them on /b/ either, but IMO that&#8217;s rare.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on There are no girls on the internet. by Nurn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nurn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The male domination of the internet drives me crazy!  I am bombarded with ads for &quot;girls in my area&quot; whenever I&#039;m on any website.  There are tits on display on the sidebar all the time.  To be honest, it makes me feel that all men are arseholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The male domination of the internet drives me crazy!  I am bombarded with ads for &#8220;girls in my area&#8221; whenever I&#8217;m on any website.  There are tits on display on the sidebar all the time.  To be honest, it makes me feel that all men are arseholes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on There are no girls on the internet. by roman thuesen</title>
		<link>http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/elisaverna/there-are-no-girls-on-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2231</link>
		<dc:creator>roman thuesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting idea, but to what end? What is the main purpose of your... experiment?</description>
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		<title>Comment on I can haz teknoluhgee &#8211; conclusion&#8230; by roman thuesen</title>
		<link>http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/sava/i-can-haz-teknoluhgee-conclusion/comment-page-1/#comment-2222</link>
		<dc:creator>roman thuesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Accessing from local library is unsuccessful. 5 minute buffering time is too long whilst on a tight schedule. I really enjoy this kind of thing though, some sound to break the cloud of digital silence.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Building communities or creating a divide?: The Digital Divide and Postnationalism by roman thuesen</title>
		<link>http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/sara-hardwick/building-communities-or-creating-a-divide-the-digital-divide-and-postnationalism/comment-page-1/#comment-2221</link>
		<dc:creator>roman thuesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Influential as he is, I&#039;ve never really agreed with Dvorak&#039;s views. As Melissa said, hes short-sited. Brilliant yes, but short-sited. I for one am all for the get one give one program. And a crank powered laptop could really come in handy. The potential market is tremendous. I&#039;m on the road a lot and I don&#039;t always have time to charge my laptop, so a simple hand crank could really help with communication between me and my business partners. The idea that OLPC doesn&#039;t directly affect the needs of the underprivileged, is incorrect. With access to blogs and the wider world, these kids can now spread their message of desperation. If I need something, I use Google, sure I might not find the answer, but I can E-mail fox-news, or NBC. With internet access,  you now have an entire new world of possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Influential as he is, I&#8217;ve never really agreed with Dvorak&#8217;s views. As Melissa said, hes short-sited. Brilliant yes, but short-sited. I for one am all for the get one give one program. And a crank powered laptop could really come in handy. The potential market is tremendous. I&#8217;m on the road a lot and I don&#8217;t always have time to charge my laptop, so a simple hand crank could really help with communication between me and my business partners. The idea that OLPC doesn&#8217;t directly affect the needs of the underprivileged, is incorrect. With access to blogs and the wider world, these kids can now spread their message of desperation. If I need something, I use Google, sure I might not find the answer, but I can E-mail fox-news, or NBC. With internet access,  you now have an entire new world of possibilities.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Singularity, Transhumanism and Biomedia: No Longer Just SciFi&#8217;s Playground by roman thuesen</title>
		<link>http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/lmkehe/the-singularity-transhumanism-biomedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2220</link>
		<dc:creator>roman thuesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs. God creates Man, Man destroys God, Man creates dinosaurs...&quot; Definitely familiar stuff here. The idea of integrating with the computers we use seems both disturbing and exciting, however there is a saying my father taught me &quot;If you can&#039;t beat em, Join em&quot;. Wireless internet access through my brain would be cool, but then we have a sticky question... can the human brain be hacked? As for biotechnology and life-code, there are plenty of people who are interested in that research field, I have serious questions about its morality though. After reading a few Michael Crichton novels, I found my self thinking more in depth about this changing world and, quite frankly, I&#039;m concerned about where it&#039;s heading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs. God creates Man, Man destroys God, Man creates dinosaurs&#8230;&#8221; Definitely familiar stuff here. The idea of integrating with the computers we use seems both disturbing and exciting, however there is a saying my father taught me &#8220;If you can&#8217;t beat em, Join em&#8221;. Wireless internet access through my brain would be cool, but then we have a sticky question&#8230; can the human brain be hacked? As for biotechnology and life-code, there are plenty of people who are interested in that research field, I have serious questions about its morality though. After reading a few Michael Crichton novels, I found my self thinking more in depth about this changing world and, quite frankly, I&#8217;m concerned about where it&#8217;s heading.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The internet&#8217;s &#8220;waste of space&#8221;: How do griefers and trolls on communities like 4chan help us make sense of online communities? by roman thuesen</title>
		<link>http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/elisaverna/the-internets-waste-of-space-how-do-griefers-and-trolls-on-communities-like-4chan-help-us-make-sense-of-online-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-2219</link>
		<dc:creator>roman thuesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had issues with griefers everywhere I go and now I believe there is little difference between my life outside, and my posts on 4Chan. Perhaps my short time on this little blue marble have jaded me... Still, I find nothing helpful about griefers. I am also of the belief that most trolls are in fact young white males. Though one troll identified herself as female, thus the use of the verbatim &quot;Most&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had issues with griefers everywhere I go and now I believe there is little difference between my life outside, and my posts on 4Chan. Perhaps my short time on this little blue marble have jaded me&#8230; Still, I find nothing helpful about griefers. I am also of the belief that most trolls are in fact young white males. Though one troll identified herself as female, thus the use of the verbatim &#8220;Most&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wait, Did 4chan Just Enlighten Me? I Feel Dirty. by roman thuesen</title>
		<link>http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/elisaverna/wait-did-4chan-just-enlighten-me-i-feel-dirty/comment-page-1/#comment-2218</link>
		<dc:creator>roman thuesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The power gained by anonymity is immense. To speak without fear of retribution or permanent damage to one&#039;s public image is a dream many have but (before 4chan) could never achieve. 4Chan was basically designed as a social experiment. &quot;What would happen if we destroyed social boundaries?&quot; The answer is obvious; a gloriously chaotic freedom. 4Chan is the dream of free-speech activists. However, an influx of what are now known as /b/tards has rotted this dream from the inside out. Like in the political world, power is a corrupting force online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The power gained by anonymity is immense. To speak without fear of retribution or permanent damage to one&#8217;s public image is a dream many have but (before 4chan) could never achieve. 4Chan was basically designed as a social experiment. &#8220;What would happen if we destroyed social boundaries?&#8221; The answer is obvious; a gloriously chaotic freedom. 4Chan is the dream of free-speech activists. However, an influx of what are now known as /b/tards has rotted this dream from the inside out. Like in the political world, power is a corrupting force online.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building communities or creating a divide?: The Digital Divide and Postnationalism by sava</title>
		<link>http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/sara-hardwick/building-communities-or-creating-a-divide-the-digital-divide-and-postnationalism/comment-page-1/#comment-1691</link>
		<dc:creator>sava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to be honest, I&#039;ve always been on the side of skepticism when it came to the OLPC. AND unfortunately, I learned not to question it when I lived in the Bay Area. I was never questioning it in a vicious way, just wanted to have a conversation about it, because, you gotta agree, the arguments that other people make are also valid. I&#039;m not saying OLPC is a waste or should be around, and I&#039;m definitely not siding with the extreme views that Dvorak presents, I am saying, however, that there are questions and those questions are valid, and yes, I don&#039;t think OLPC is the answer to a lot of things. but it still is cool, in a way, and it still has exposed people to technology and computers and all these things - maybe it&#039;ll make them want more? maybe it&#039;ll make them reach higher? and yes, those kids desperately need clean water, and food, and clothes, and healthcare, and... the list is unending. I think it&#039;s natural for people to question the introduction of &#039;technology&#039; that doesn&#039;t directly affect the most pressing needs of people. and I&#039;m sorry, but the OLPC program doesn&#039;t really directly affect these most pressing needs. all the points brought up by the haters are totally valid - but they don&#039;t need to be brought up in such a hateful way. I think it&#039;s good that OLPC exists, and I think that it&#039;s bad also. it does look like people are trying to address both issues... 

I think the points brought up on the sociological images blog (thanks for the link, Sara!) are a really good read and a good example of a decent discussion on the topic, aside from the asinine depiction of course!

Maslow&#039;s hierarchy of needs, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to be honest, I&#8217;ve always been on the side of skepticism when it came to the OLPC. AND unfortunately, I learned not to question it when I lived in the Bay Area. I was never questioning it in a vicious way, just wanted to have a conversation about it, because, you gotta agree, the arguments that other people make are also valid. I&#8217;m not saying OLPC is a waste or should be around, and I&#8217;m definitely not siding with the extreme views that Dvorak presents, I am saying, however, that there are questions and those questions are valid, and yes, I don&#8217;t think OLPC is the answer to a lot of things. but it still is cool, in a way, and it still has exposed people to technology and computers and all these things &#8211; maybe it&#8217;ll make them want more? maybe it&#8217;ll make them reach higher? and yes, those kids desperately need clean water, and food, and clothes, and healthcare, and&#8230; the list is unending. I think it&#8217;s natural for people to question the introduction of &#8216;technology&#8217; that doesn&#8217;t directly affect the most pressing needs of people. and I&#8217;m sorry, but the OLPC program doesn&#8217;t really directly affect these most pressing needs. all the points brought up by the haters are totally valid &#8211; but they don&#8217;t need to be brought up in such a hateful way. I think it&#8217;s good that OLPC exists, and I think that it&#8217;s bad also. it does look like people are trying to address both issues&#8230; </p>
<p>I think the points brought up on the sociological images blog (thanks for the link, Sara!) are a really good read and a good example of a decent discussion on the topic, aside from the asinine depiction of course!</p>
<p>Maslow&#8217;s hierarchy of needs, anyone?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building communities or creating a divide?: The Digital Divide and Postnationalism by Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like the whole mission/ideology behold One Laptop Per Child, and I&#039;m seriously considering buying one/donating one for my 5 y/o sister. It&#039;s not food, it&#039;s not shelter, but its a catalyst for education, literacy, and media/tech literacy. The lap top cannot provide everything, however it can make such impoverished areas more accessible. What I don&#039;t like about Dvorak&#039;s response is this: He&#039;s looking at the program through an extremely narrow lens, sort of siting the fact that the computer is not consistent with these (impoverished) childrens&#039; hierarchy of needs. However he&#039;s viewing this as a lap top rather than a catalyst for education. So in a sense, he&#039;s condemning education unless/until all of those other needs are taken care of. Failing to take into account that education is a more fundamental need than he would have us believe.

I giggled out loud @ allison&#039;s citation from his 1984 article: “The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a ‘mouse’. There is no evidence that people want to use these things. I dont want one of these new fangled devices.”

Anyhow, I don&#039;t know what Dvorak expected to gain (aside from publicity) by attacking a non-profit. And I think his insinuation that anybody is hoping to benefit from advertising to these children is ridiculous. Sponsoring companies might gain brand sympathy form &quot;us&quot;, but who&#039;s going to argue being that it&#039;s a noble cause?

The &#039;net seems to be evolving in Frost&#039;s image of a post-nationalist society. I see anonymity being continuously phased out or at least reduced. Perhaps we&#039;ll one day have universal identifiers such as Lessig&#039;s ID cards - or we&#039;ll simply have our own personal ipv6 address. Regardless, through cyberspace, we&#039;re able to transcend physical barriers, which makes the post-national collective/imagined community possible. Can you imagine an environment where collectives/communities are dependent on virtual affiliation rather than physical space? I feel a science fiction novel coming on.

The web extends the lucidity of imagined communities and the ideology we&#039;re capable of sharing - much like newspapers did many years ago. I think that during our lifetimes however, we&#039;ll always be subordinate to physical borders. It will interesting to see the conflicts that arise with post-nationalism in a nationalist world - I wonder how many of us will one day be called &quot;terrorists&quot;...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the whole mission/ideology behold One Laptop Per Child, and I&#8217;m seriously considering buying one/donating one for my 5 y/o sister. It&#8217;s not food, it&#8217;s not shelter, but its a catalyst for education, literacy, and media/tech literacy. The lap top cannot provide everything, however it can make such impoverished areas more accessible. What I don&#8217;t like about Dvorak&#8217;s response is this: He&#8217;s looking at the program through an extremely narrow lens, sort of siting the fact that the computer is not consistent with these (impoverished) childrens&#8217; hierarchy of needs. However he&#8217;s viewing this as a lap top rather than a catalyst for education. So in a sense, he&#8217;s condemning education unless/until all of those other needs are taken care of. Failing to take into account that education is a more fundamental need than he would have us believe.</p>
<p>I giggled out loud @ allison&#8217;s citation from his 1984 article: “The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a ‘mouse’. There is no evidence that people want to use these things. I dont want one of these new fangled devices.”</p>
<p>Anyhow, I don&#8217;t know what Dvorak expected to gain (aside from publicity) by attacking a non-profit. And I think his insinuation that anybody is hoping to benefit from advertising to these children is ridiculous. Sponsoring companies might gain brand sympathy form &#8220;us&#8221;, but who&#8217;s going to argue being that it&#8217;s a noble cause?</p>
<p>The &#8216;net seems to be evolving in Frost&#8217;s image of a post-nationalist society. I see anonymity being continuously phased out or at least reduced. Perhaps we&#8217;ll one day have universal identifiers such as Lessig&#8217;s ID cards &#8211; or we&#8217;ll simply have our own personal ipv6 address. Regardless, through cyberspace, we&#8217;re able to transcend physical barriers, which makes the post-national collective/imagined community possible. Can you imagine an environment where collectives/communities are dependent on virtual affiliation rather than physical space? I feel a science fiction novel coming on.</p>
<p>The web extends the lucidity of imagined communities and the ideology we&#8217;re capable of sharing &#8211; much like newspapers did many years ago. I think that during our lifetimes however, we&#8217;ll always be subordinate to physical borders. It will interesting to see the conflicts that arise with post-nationalism in a nationalist world &#8211; I wonder how many of us will one day be called &#8220;terrorists&#8221;&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building communities or creating a divide?: The Digital Divide and Postnationalism by H-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>H-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta say...Dvorak is a bit of a haaaaaater. His view is extremely shortsighted, and even if OLPC isn&#039;t doing as much as they hoped to, hopefully in time it will all come together. You can&#039;t exactly be doinga terrible things supplying children with the material to leran and stimulate their minds. Though i do have to say that I agree with Frost when she says that anonymity will prevent the type of community &quot;imagined&quot; (haha) by Anderson.And i do agree witht he comments on non-profits, be claiming to be non-profits, i feel that they somehow avoid too much responsibility. And let&#039;s face it, for profit business have more cash to throw around, even if its not as large a percentage of their earnings as we would like. Money does make the world go round...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta say&#8230;Dvorak is a bit of a haaaaaater. His view is extremely shortsighted, and even if OLPC isn&#8217;t doing as much as they hoped to, hopefully in time it will all come together. You can&#8217;t exactly be doinga terrible things supplying children with the material to leran and stimulate their minds. Though i do have to say that I agree with Frost when she says that anonymity will prevent the type of community &#8220;imagined&#8221; (haha) by Anderson.And i do agree witht he comments on non-profits, be claiming to be non-profits, i feel that they somehow avoid too much responsibility. And let&#8217;s face it, for profit business have more cash to throw around, even if its not as large a percentage of their earnings as we would like. Money does make the world go round&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building communities or creating a divide?: The Digital Divide and Postnationalism by Craig Donahue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Donahue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gordita I completely agree with your stand on the non-profit vs. profit ventures.  Having worked both ends of the spectrum myself, I&#039;ve seen how even when the non-profits are supposed to (especially in aid situations such as this) stay on somewhat neutral grounds, there is always that underlying reason/or goal that they&#039;ve already established as a part of their mission statement.  And while for-profit businesses tend to have a somewhat clear mission statement already presented, they sometimes surprise you with the things that they might contribute.

I actually came into contact with the OLPC back before they actually launched and almost contemplated getting one myself, but never did.  Never the less, having also experienced being in these areas where kids need learning supplies, no matter what they are, it&#039;s hard to say that they are in the wrong with what they&#039;re doing.  We also have to keep in the mind the adaptability of a child&#039;s brain.  Just because the internet isn&#039;t in their language doesn&#039;t mean they aren&#039;t going to learn the language or at least find a way to make this machine beneficial to their own growth.

As a somewhat random example and maybe he has slightly different circumstances than some of the kids receiving the OLPCs but this guy saw a picture of a windmill in a book and found out it could produce electricity and so he just went and made one for himself.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-7-2009/william-kamkwamba

I completely agree with Thompson that even though there are some negatives holding the program back, that doesn&#039;t mean we shouldn&#039;t at least make an attempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gordita I completely agree with your stand on the non-profit vs. profit ventures.  Having worked both ends of the spectrum myself, I&#8217;ve seen how even when the non-profits are supposed to (especially in aid situations such as this) stay on somewhat neutral grounds, there is always that underlying reason/or goal that they&#8217;ve already established as a part of their mission statement.  And while for-profit businesses tend to have a somewhat clear mission statement already presented, they sometimes surprise you with the things that they might contribute.</p>
<p>I actually came into contact with the OLPC back before they actually launched and almost contemplated getting one myself, but never did.  Never the less, having also experienced being in these areas where kids need learning supplies, no matter what they are, it&#8217;s hard to say that they are in the wrong with what they&#8217;re doing.  We also have to keep in the mind the adaptability of a child&#8217;s brain.  Just because the internet isn&#8217;t in their language doesn&#8217;t mean they aren&#8217;t going to learn the language or at least find a way to make this machine beneficial to their own growth.</p>
<p>As a somewhat random example and maybe he has slightly different circumstances than some of the kids receiving the OLPCs but this guy saw a picture of a windmill in a book and found out it could produce electricity and so he just went and made one for himself.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-7-2009/william-kamkwamba" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-7-2009/william-kamkwamba</a></p>
<p>I completely agree with Thompson that even though there are some negatives holding the program back, that doesn&#8217;t mean we shouldn&#8217;t at least make an attempt.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building communities or creating a divide?: The Digital Divide and Postnationalism by gorditamedia</title>
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		<dc:creator>gorditamedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to my buddy Rob for chiming in on the blog!  A few additional thoughts to toss into our mix here:

+Some might have noticed by now that I geek out on what social media technologies are doing to the way we view credibility in the U.S. (for starters).  We talked about it early in the semester in the context of news (e.g. the weight of the NYT is challenged by Google/news aggregators).  I noticed it again last week in the context of higher education (e.g. many people think the traditional credential system is less relevant in a networked world).  And here, in the form of a child&#039;s laptop, we have value shifts afoot.  Is the digital divide smaller or wider because of OLPC and the tools it enables?  The optimist in me says smaller.  Is this important to poor people?  The optimist in me says yes, although I can&#039;t begin to answer why because I&#039;m not poor.

+Anu (and perhaps others): I did not work on the program (and Rob is always respectful of client confidentiality so he will not answer #6), but as much as I love to tout the power of PR, I would say the narrative is not, in fact, coming from Microsoft.  That &#039;bad guy&#039; narrative Rob speaks of is present in almost every story (news or otherwise).  Microsoft, nor any company of any stripe, need not insert it or manipulate it because the authors (in this case, the press) are practically wired (ha) to tell stories in this manner.

+I&#039;m curious if the class on the whole thinks non-profits are inherently better at social responsibility?  Without Microsoft&#039;s capitalist ways, there would be no Gates Foundation--an organization that most of us would agree does really important social work.  I&#039;m not advocating the opposite--that a for profit company is more effective--but I am cheering for a frothy mixture of for and not for profit.  

From my experience working at both non-profit and for-profit ventures, in relation to theater (a wonderful kind of activism), I could not choose between the two models based on inputs or outputs.  As an employee, both models had terrible pain points and groovy joys.  As for the theater we produced, both forms (in-house vs. bus &amp; truck outsourced), had similar pros and cons.  To relate this back to the readings, OLPC and ideas like it will be more effective, regardless of business model/partners, if education remains the North star.  And yes, education can be profitable, just ask NYU ;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to my buddy Rob for chiming in on the blog!  A few additional thoughts to toss into our mix here:</p>
<p>+Some might have noticed by now that I geek out on what social media technologies are doing to the way we view credibility in the U.S. (for starters).  We talked about it early in the semester in the context of news (e.g. the weight of the NYT is challenged by Google/news aggregators).  I noticed it again last week in the context of higher education (e.g. many people think the traditional credential system is less relevant in a networked world).  And here, in the form of a child&#8217;s laptop, we have value shifts afoot.  Is the digital divide smaller or wider because of OLPC and the tools it enables?  The optimist in me says smaller.  Is this important to poor people?  The optimist in me says yes, although I can&#8217;t begin to answer why because I&#8217;m not poor.</p>
<p>+Anu (and perhaps others): I did not work on the program (and Rob is always respectful of client confidentiality so he will not answer #6), but as much as I love to tout the power of PR, I would say the narrative is not, in fact, coming from Microsoft.  That &#8216;bad guy&#8217; narrative Rob speaks of is present in almost every story (news or otherwise).  Microsoft, nor any company of any stripe, need not insert it or manipulate it because the authors (in this case, the press) are practically wired (ha) to tell stories in this manner.</p>
<p>+I&#8217;m curious if the class on the whole thinks non-profits are inherently better at social responsibility?  Without Microsoft&#8217;s capitalist ways, there would be no Gates Foundation&#8211;an organization that most of us would agree does really important social work.  I&#8217;m not advocating the opposite&#8211;that a for profit company is more effective&#8211;but I am cheering for a frothy mixture of for and not for profit.  </p>
<p>From my experience working at both non-profit and for-profit ventures, in relation to theater (a wonderful kind of activism), I could not choose between the two models based on inputs or outputs.  As an employee, both models had terrible pain points and groovy joys.  As for the theater we produced, both forms (in-house vs. bus &amp; truck outsourced), had similar pros and cons.  To relate this back to the readings, OLPC and ideas like it will be more effective, regardless of business model/partners, if education remains the North star.  And yes, education can be profitable, just ask NYU <img src='http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow so did Camille outsource her comment this week? ;)

I am not surprised at the backlash surrounding teh OLPC program.  The technology and computer industry are natrious for skimming and pricing things at a high point to try to get those technocrats to buy the hottest newest technology before everyone else. It just makes buisness sense that they would try to quash the program. 

Media literacy is a huge issue that was debated long before anyone was sending laptops transnationally.  Technology and its integration into the American classroom is still a huge issue. Would Dvorak argue against giving American impoverished children in rural areas laptops, or would that be patronizing too?  I think it is natural that media literacy and integration into the educational structure would be even more difficult in less developed countries. But it doesn&#039;t mean that we shouldn&#039;t try.  Especially since laptops can deliver information, a powerful tool (teach a man to fish and all that).

I think that Dvorak is a bit contradictory when he says that the OLPC program was providing impoverished kids with advertising machines and then stating that they can&#039;t understand the majority of the internet because it isn&#039;t in their native language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow so did Camille outsource her comment this week? <img src='http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am not surprised at the backlash surrounding teh OLPC program.  The technology and computer industry are natrious for skimming and pricing things at a high point to try to get those technocrats to buy the hottest newest technology before everyone else. It just makes buisness sense that they would try to quash the program. </p>
<p>Media literacy is a huge issue that was debated long before anyone was sending laptops transnationally.  Technology and its integration into the American classroom is still a huge issue. Would Dvorak argue against giving American impoverished children in rural areas laptops, or would that be patronizing too?  I think it is natural that media literacy and integration into the educational structure would be even more difficult in less developed countries. But it doesn&#8217;t mean that we shouldn&#8217;t try.  Especially since laptops can deliver information, a powerful tool (teach a man to fish and all that).</p>
<p>I think that Dvorak is a bit contradictory when he says that the OLPC program was providing impoverished kids with advertising machines and then stating that they can&#8217;t understand the majority of the internet because it isn&#8217;t in their native language.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Anu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, Rob.  Some thoughts:

1) OLPC is a non-profit, so whatever &quot;mileage&quot; was accrued by having a cute product is still being employed for a social cause.  That&#039;s key.  As for governments lifting off the hype but not following through with purchases-- a government even validating the need to be digitally aware is a powerful social message. And we can&#039;t discount how much the financial outlook of every country in the world has changed in the past two years.  Much richer nations also rethought and halted major investiture.  

6) I think the “narrative” is coming from Mircosoft.  Once again, OLPC is a non-profit.  Negroponte invited others to knock off OLPC’s laptop - they just want them out there, affordably.  Microsoft is talking out of two sides of its mouth, acknowledging a digital divide while not being genuinely committed to addressing it in the way OLPC is.   MS knew their low-cost laptop would undercut OLPC’s sales, but profits potential trumped social responsibility or activism, because Microsoft is very decidedly not a non-profit.

Re: Dvorak and the assertion that digital familiarity helps no one in impoverished countries.  Um, has he heard of Bangalore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, Rob.  Some thoughts:</p>
<p>1) OLPC is a non-profit, so whatever &#8220;mileage&#8221; was accrued by having a cute product is still being employed for a social cause.  That&#8217;s key.  As for governments lifting off the hype but not following through with purchases&#8211; a government even validating the need to be digitally aware is a powerful social message. And we can&#8217;t discount how much the financial outlook of every country in the world has changed in the past two years.  Much richer nations also rethought and halted major investiture.  </p>
<p>6) I think the “narrative” is coming from Mircosoft.  Once again, OLPC is a non-profit.  Negroponte invited others to knock off OLPC’s laptop &#8211; they just want them out there, affordably.  Microsoft is talking out of two sides of its mouth, acknowledging a digital divide while not being genuinely committed to addressing it in the way OLPC is.   MS knew their low-cost laptop would undercut OLPC’s sales, but profits potential trumped social responsibility or activism, because Microsoft is very decidedly not a non-profit.</p>
<p>Re: Dvorak and the assertion that digital familiarity helps no one in impoverished countries.  Um, has he heard of Bangalore?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As mentioned in the comment above mine, it seems that Dvorak&#039;s schtick (and it really does seem gimmicky) is his pessimistic view of technology. He even has a podcast called CrankyGeeks. And if you look up his wiki, there&#039;s a quote from him from an article he wrote for the San Francisco Examiner in 1984: &quot;The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a ‘mouse’. There is no evidence that people want to use these things. I dont want one of these new fangled devices.&quot; So there&#039;s that.

Dvorak&#039;s argument that OLPC is easy to agree with if you&#039;re thinking about the program on a shallow surface. Yes, basic needs are more important than technology. Shallowly, his argument makes sense. But dig deeper, and OLPC&#039;s mission is an important one. Dvorak notes that the laptops aren&#039;t of use without literacy, but I imagine that these laptops could be efficient tools to teach literacy.

Since we read Anderson and Habermas in Core this semester, Frost&#039;s article was really interesting to me. It was kind of an updated version of both. It also makes me think back to all of the discussions we&#039;ve had on echo chambers. Her theory that &quot;under conditions of Internet anonymity, deviant behavior is not simply common, it actually becomes the norm” struck me. She said this inhibits social connections, but I wonder how this differs from offline communities? I think anonymity could also have a positive effect on social relations, as people are often more willing to connect with others and express themselves more honestly anonymously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As mentioned in the comment above mine, it seems that Dvorak&#8217;s schtick (and it really does seem gimmicky) is his pessimistic view of technology. He even has a podcast called CrankyGeeks. And if you look up his wiki, there&#8217;s a quote from him from an article he wrote for the San Francisco Examiner in 1984: &#8220;The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a ‘mouse’. There is no evidence that people want to use these things. I dont want one of these new fangled devices.&#8221; So there&#8217;s that.</p>
<p>Dvorak&#8217;s argument that OLPC is easy to agree with if you&#8217;re thinking about the program on a shallow surface. Yes, basic needs are more important than technology. Shallowly, his argument makes sense. But dig deeper, and OLPC&#8217;s mission is an important one. Dvorak notes that the laptops aren&#8217;t of use without literacy, but I imagine that these laptops could be efficient tools to teach literacy.</p>
<p>Since we read Anderson and Habermas in Core this semester, Frost&#8217;s article was really interesting to me. It was kind of an updated version of both. It also makes me think back to all of the discussions we&#8217;ve had on echo chambers. Her theory that &#8220;under conditions of Internet anonymity, deviant behavior is not simply common, it actually becomes the norm” struck me. She said this inhibits social connections, but I wonder how this differs from offline communities? I think anonymity could also have a positive effect on social relations, as people are often more willing to connect with others and express themselves more honestly anonymously.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Mushon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys sorry... I sent y&#039;all an email but it seems like none of you got it. 

&lt;strong&gt;class will take place: same place, same time&lt;/strong&gt;

see you then</description>
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<p><strong>class will take place: same place, same time</strong></p>
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		<dc:creator>Sara Hardwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we have a location for class tomorrow?  As much as I would like to not have to present, I&#039;ve already baked the cookies.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Curran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a former colleague of Camille&#039;s and I&#039;ve worked on public relations efforts related to OLPC in the kinda-recent past. I&#039;ve got a few comments that might be relevant.

1) Don&#039;t underestimate the power of cute green Fisher-Price technology to take a complex issue (such as providing technology access to students in developing geographies) and make it accessible to the media. OLPC got a lot of mileage out of pictures of photogenic third world kids holding up the OLPC. So did many government officials (who then didn&#039;t do anything to follow up on their handshake deals with NN).

2) Infrastructure matters. Distribution into remote locales, spare parts, training, freshened learning content in local languages, satellite broadband - the challenge of providing sustainable tech access starts with getting the child the laptop. It doesn&#039;t end with it.

3) Dvorak is a professional contrarian. He&#039;s not the high-water mark for OLPC skeptics. That position is held by Fake Steve Jobs (Newsweek writer Dan Lyons). A classic rant here: http://tinyurl.com/yaucfex

4) Nicholas N. deserves all credit for driving the tech industry to pay attention to a real problem and in shaping the narrative for a sustained period of time.

5) A great resource for reviewing the lifecycle of the OLPC story is Wayan Vota&#039;s OLPCNews blog at http://www.olpcnews.com/archives.html . Wayan is a fan of the OLPC but he is also intellectually honest, so he&#039;s not above pointing out the unsupportable hype.

6) Having a &#039;bad guy&#039; has been an important part of sustaining the OLPC narrative (and energizing supporters). Look for how it was used against Intel in the 60 Minutes piece on OLPC in May 2007.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a former colleague of Camille&#8217;s and I&#8217;ve worked on public relations efforts related to OLPC in the kinda-recent past. I&#8217;ve got a few comments that might be relevant.</p>
<p>1) Don&#8217;t underestimate the power of cute green Fisher-Price technology to take a complex issue (such as providing technology access to students in developing geographies) and make it accessible to the media. OLPC got a lot of mileage out of pictures of photogenic third world kids holding up the OLPC. So did many government officials (who then didn&#8217;t do anything to follow up on their handshake deals with NN).</p>
<p>2) Infrastructure matters. Distribution into remote locales, spare parts, training, freshened learning content in local languages, satellite broadband &#8211; the challenge of providing sustainable tech access starts with getting the child the laptop. It doesn&#8217;t end with it.</p>
<p>3) Dvorak is a professional contrarian. He&#8217;s not the high-water mark for OLPC skeptics. That position is held by Fake Steve Jobs (Newsweek writer Dan Lyons). A classic rant here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yaucfex" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yaucfex</a></p>
<p>4) Nicholas N. deserves all credit for driving the tech industry to pay attention to a real problem and in shaping the narrative for a sustained period of time.</p>
<p>5) A great resource for reviewing the lifecycle of the OLPC story is Wayan Vota&#8217;s OLPCNews blog at <a href="http://www.olpcnews.com/archives.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.olpcnews.com/archives.html</a> . Wayan is a fan of the OLPC but he is also intellectually honest, so he&#8217;s not above pointing out the unsupportable hype.</p>
<p>6) Having a &#8216;bad guy&#8217; has been an important part of sustaining the OLPC narrative (and energizing supporters). Look for how it was used against Intel in the 60 Minutes piece on OLPC in May 2007.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa_A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe how shortsighted Dvorak&#039;s article is. I mean, it&#039;s important to point out the drawbacks of the program, but come on. I think the BBC article made some great points about Dvorak&#039;s argument - that the laptop isn&#039;t just a gadget, but a tool for education and empowerment. The &quot;We want bread, but we want roses, too!&quot; argument is really important - Dvorak seems to be thinking that the One Laptop Per Child is an either/or aid situation, but it doesn&#039;t have to be.

I also enjoyed Frost&#039;s article. Again, Dvorak seems to be saying that one reason not to provide laptops to impoverished children is to &quot;protect&quot; them from excessive advertising and all of the bad things about the internet. As Frost explains, the Internet can create solidarity by highlighting what a group is missing out on, and while this may not be what Negroponte has in mind with the program, it may be the reality that arises from the program - spurring technological development and solidarity in the developing world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe how shortsighted Dvorak&#8217;s article is. I mean, it&#8217;s important to point out the drawbacks of the program, but come on. I think the BBC article made some great points about Dvorak&#8217;s argument &#8211; that the laptop isn&#8217;t just a gadget, but a tool for education and empowerment. The &#8220;We want bread, but we want roses, too!&#8221; argument is really important &#8211; Dvorak seems to be thinking that the One Laptop Per Child is an either/or aid situation, but it doesn&#8217;t have to be.</p>
<p>I also enjoyed Frost&#8217;s article. Again, Dvorak seems to be saying that one reason not to provide laptops to impoverished children is to &#8220;protect&#8221; them from excessive advertising and all of the bad things about the internet. As Frost explains, the Internet can create solidarity by highlighting what a group is missing out on, and while this may not be what Negroponte has in mind with the program, it may be the reality that arises from the program &#8211; spurring technological development and solidarity in the developing world.</p>
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		<dc:creator>sava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and I remembered, a little late, that mushon sent an updated link in an email!</description>
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		<dc:creator>sava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the Dvorak link still seems wrong?
fortunately, I looked in Sara&#039;s post and she seems to have found a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smartdevicecentral.com/article/One+Laptop+per+Child+Doesnt+Change+the+World/220845_1.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;copy of the right article&lt;/a&gt; =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Dvorak link still seems wrong?<br />
fortunately, I looked in Sara&#8217;s post and she seems to have found a <a href="http://www.smartdevicecentral.com/article/One+Laptop+per+Child+Doesnt+Change+the+World/220845_1.aspx" rel="nofollow">copy of the right article</a> =)</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is it by Mushon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mushon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the notice, I updated the list (I can swear the article was there just last week, ahhh... can&#039;t trust them internets...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the notice, I updated the list (I can swear the article was there just last week, ahhh&#8230; can&#8217;t trust them internets&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is it by Sara Hardwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara Hardwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the link for Dvorak – Thompson, OLPC critique / Tom Carter weblog is outdated.  It&#039;s just a list of random whining about microwaving fish and stuff.  I can comment on that if you want, but somehow I doubt that&#039;s what you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the link for Dvorak – Thompson, OLPC critique / Tom Carter weblog is outdated.  It&#8217;s just a list of random whining about microwaving fish and stuff.  I can comment on that if you want, but somehow I doubt that&#8217;s what you want.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Stop, Collaborate, and Listen&#8221;: Interactve Education, Serendipity, and Democracy by Lauren Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more advanced our society becomes the higher level of education the average person achieves. The structure of the education system provides deadlines and goals from an authority source that.  Learning styles are different and many off us need a classroom experience to learn effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more advanced our society becomes the higher level of education the average person achieves. The structure of the education system provides deadlines and goals from an authority source that.  Learning styles are different and many off us need a classroom experience to learn effectively.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Stop, Collaborate, and Listen&#8221;: Interactve Education, Serendipity, and Democracy by Elisa Verna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisa Verna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I actually liked the readings (somewhat, the Sunstein was a little kooky). I personally did pretty well navigating the &quot;system&quot; and playing the &quot;game&quot; throughout (especially) high school and undergrad. My younger sister, who just graduated high school (the same one as I did), pretty much failed everything except for art classes, and essentially shouldn&#039;t have graduated high school (my father called the school and was basically like &quot;can you please just graduate my daughter?&quot; and they were like &quot;o ok, better graduation rats for us!!!&quot;), and is on the verge of dropping out of community college. She is BRILLIANT. She would probably contribute more to my grad. classes than I do, has a book collection that would put any English Lit. grad student to shame, and is an amazing painter. So naturally, I&#039;ve come to question our public educational system. Why did I do well and my sister floundered?

I don&#039;t like the generalization that kids are little digi gurus, but I do like Tapscott&#039;s idea that instructors should strive for a more &quot;back and forth&quot; approach within the classroom, rather than just lecturing, and that education should be tailored to individual learning styles. Having students choose what they want to learn about, however, is slightly ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I actually liked the readings (somewhat, the Sunstein was a little kooky). I personally did pretty well navigating the &#8220;system&#8221; and playing the &#8220;game&#8221; throughout (especially) high school and undergrad. My younger sister, who just graduated high school (the same one as I did), pretty much failed everything except for art classes, and essentially shouldn&#8217;t have graduated high school (my father called the school and was basically like &#8220;can you please just graduate my daughter?&#8221; and they were like &#8220;o ok, better graduation rats for us!!!&#8221;), and is on the verge of dropping out of community college. She is BRILLIANT. She would probably contribute more to my grad. classes than I do, has a book collection that would put any English Lit. grad student to shame, and is an amazing painter. So naturally, I&#8217;ve come to question our public educational system. Why did I do well and my sister floundered?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the generalization that kids are little digi gurus, but I do like Tapscott&#8217;s idea that instructors should strive for a more &#8220;back and forth&#8221; approach within the classroom, rather than just lecturing, and that education should be tailored to individual learning styles. Having students choose what they want to learn about, however, is slightly ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Stop, Collaborate, and Listen&#8221;: Interactve Education, Serendipity, and Democracy by Sara Hardwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara Hardwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with basically everyone else:  both readings have valid points, but both are too extreme.  I&#039;ve seen pedagogical trends come and go throughout my education, from new methods of memorization, to image-based learning, to CD-ROMs, to student-led learning.  Every time, it&#039;s going to be the new method! that will change! everything! forever!, and it never does.  A few new valuable tools get incorporated into the arsenal, but mostly things go back to how things have always been taught.  I think getting too caught up in these trends can be dangerous--I remember one year in elementary school it was all about doing these chants to memorize information (the Shirley Method, I think it was called).  They never explained the information behind anything we were learning, but by God, we could recite every preposition.  None of us had any idea what a preposition was, though.  Which is not to say it wasn&#039;t helpful--I can still name most of them, in alphabetical order--but had we added that to the old method of just explaining stuff, we would have learned a lot more.

I&#039;ve also had the experience where I&#039;ve been in a class with an awesome professor who never said anything.  I always get frustrated at that, if only because if there&#039;s only one person in the room getting paid to teach, I would like them to actually teach me something, not the idiot from my dorm.  But I&#039;ve also had the experience of walking into a room, getting talked at for two hours, and then walking out.  I don&#039;t learn anything there either.  But if we combine the two methods (much like happens in this class), it&#039;s actually good!

So I think any sort of &quot;everything about education is wrong!&quot;/&quot;we should never try new things ever&quot; reaction is fundamentally flawed.  Both authors do have their points--the university system is flawed as Tapscott says, and it is important to have structure, as Sunstein says--but going too far in either way will only make things worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with basically everyone else:  both readings have valid points, but both are too extreme.  I&#8217;ve seen pedagogical trends come and go throughout my education, from new methods of memorization, to image-based learning, to CD-ROMs, to student-led learning.  Every time, it&#8217;s going to be the new method! that will change! everything! forever!, and it never does.  A few new valuable tools get incorporated into the arsenal, but mostly things go back to how things have always been taught.  I think getting too caught up in these trends can be dangerous&#8211;I remember one year in elementary school it was all about doing these chants to memorize information (the Shirley Method, I think it was called).  They never explained the information behind anything we were learning, but by God, we could recite every preposition.  None of us had any idea what a preposition was, though.  Which is not to say it wasn&#8217;t helpful&#8211;I can still name most of them, in alphabetical order&#8211;but had we added that to the old method of just explaining stuff, we would have learned a lot more.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also had the experience where I&#8217;ve been in a class with an awesome professor who never said anything.  I always get frustrated at that, if only because if there&#8217;s only one person in the room getting paid to teach, I would like them to actually teach me something, not the idiot from my dorm.  But I&#8217;ve also had the experience of walking into a room, getting talked at for two hours, and then walking out.  I don&#8217;t learn anything there either.  But if we combine the two methods (much like happens in this class), it&#8217;s actually good!</p>
<p>So I think any sort of &#8220;everything about education is wrong!&#8221;/&#8221;we should never try new things ever&#8221; reaction is fundamentally flawed.  Both authors do have their points&#8211;the university system is flawed as Tapscott says, and it is important to have structure, as Sunstein says&#8211;but going too far in either way will only make things worse.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Stop, Collaborate, and Listen&#8221;: Interactve Education, Serendipity, and Democracy by Craig Donahue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Donahue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I might agree that there is still room in education for us to use an assortment of teaching methods, new and old, in order to pass on knowledge, I would like to play devil&#039;s advocate for a second.  I would definitely put myself in an interactive only learning position, which is part of why I chose to do more interdisciplinary work for my undergrad (in Cultural Studies) and now here in MCC.  And though our generation (and I can&#039;t even use that properly in our context because our class actually comprises of a multitude of generations) seems to be in the middle of a conversion of some sort in the educational process, those kids still in the public (and private) school systems are getting much more access to digital media than we probably ever thought was possible when we were in their position; iPods, Pocket PCs, laptops, teaching software are all being used at a much larger rate than we ever had access to. (I remember when being called up to write on the transparency projector was cool because it was probably the most advanced piece of technology in the classroom) I agree that there can&#039;t be a deterministic view of education in that because of all this new digital access that obviously education will go in that direction, but it will definitely have an impact in the manner in which students are going to be able to process information and turn it into knowledge.  And hostility is bound to happen, it always does when change is proposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I might agree that there is still room in education for us to use an assortment of teaching methods, new and old, in order to pass on knowledge, I would like to play devil&#8217;s advocate for a second.  I would definitely put myself in an interactive only learning position, which is part of why I chose to do more interdisciplinary work for my undergrad (in Cultural Studies) and now here in MCC.  And though our generation (and I can&#8217;t even use that properly in our context because our class actually comprises of a multitude of generations) seems to be in the middle of a conversion of some sort in the educational process, those kids still in the public (and private) school systems are getting much more access to digital media than we probably ever thought was possible when we were in their position; iPods, Pocket PCs, laptops, teaching software are all being used at a much larger rate than we ever had access to. (I remember when being called up to write on the transparency projector was cool because it was probably the most advanced piece of technology in the classroom) I agree that there can&#8217;t be a deterministic view of education in that because of all this new digital access that obviously education will go in that direction, but it will definitely have an impact in the manner in which students are going to be able to process information and turn it into knowledge.  And hostility is bound to happen, it always does when change is proposed.</p>
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